It is great to see the veterans publicly supporting this legislation. They will highlight that:
1. The buyback is a modest and much- needed reform to an existing program
2. No one who served defending the United States (and New York State) should be disadvantaged in the pension system.
3. The existing law hopscotches arbitrarily between veterans who served in various countries and during various dates.
- Excluded veterans under the existing buyback program include some of our veterans who served during wartime and even excludes those who served in combat in Afghanistan, Somalia, and elsewhere.
4. Women veterans - by virtue of odious and now-discredited and discarded statutes - are particularly disadvantaged without this needed reform.
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Great letter today (23 May 2016) from Assemblyman Lalor
Call Governor Cuomo and Tell Him to Sign Veterans Equality Act
Dear Friend,We need your help to get the Veterans Equality Act signed into law. The bill is now on Governor Cuomo's desk. Cuomo has until May 31 to sign or veto the bill. He's vetoed it twice before, one time on the day before Veterans Day. He promised veterans that he would include the bill in this year's budget. That didn't happen, even though both the Democrat-led Assembly and the Republican-led Senate included it in their own budget proposals. Cuomo can fix that broken promise by signing the bill now.
You can call Governor Cuomo at (518) 474-8390 and respectfully tell him to sign the Veterans Equality Act today and put all veterans on equal footing. Right now, for example, Iraq veterans are eligible to buyback up to three years of pension service credit for their time in the military, but Afghanistan veterans aren’t eligible. That makes no sense. All of the veterans this bill covers volunteered to serve in our armed forces and were willing to put themselves in harm's way for our country. Our state should treat them equally.
It would be great to have this bill become law this week as we head into the Memorial Day weekend. You can help make that happen.
Call Governor Cuomo now at (518) 474-8390 and respectfully tell him to sign the Veterans Equality
Act.
Semper Fidelis,
Kieran
Assemblyman Lalor on the Passage of the Bill and Way Forward
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| A veteran of 3 tours in Afghanistan, Kristen Rouse of the NYC Veterans Alliance, makes a point in favor of the Veterans Equality Act (VEA) at the veterans May 24 press conference |
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| Veterans and Politicians Urge the Governor to sign the VEA at the veterans May 24 press conference |
My sources tell me that there has been (an is ongoing) a back and forth discussion triggered by the passage of the bill. This is not uncommon in Albany. This was one intent of the passage (given the bill's double-veto and subsequent failure at budget time).
ReplyDeleteFor those focused on deadlines, it looks like 1 June or thereabouts is the deadline to hear from the Governor regarding the fate of the bill. Of course life and politics are full of exceptions and nuances.
It goes without saying (I hope) that calls to the Governor's office ((518) 474-8390) must continue.
It also goes without saying that the Gov. will NOT sign the bill as is .
DeleteHopefully negotiations will be successful and the maximum number of veterans will be included in a signed bill( with changes ) on 6/1 !
Yes.
DeleteThe 2000 compromise bill (1998 Bill 'full cost' negotiated down to the 3% discount) had the ugly, shameful and unannounced effect of throwing out some previously included (1998 Bill) wartime veterans.
I don't believe previously included wartime veterans will now lose eligibility should there be a successful negotiation.
That was unconscionable and I actually looked up what you are saying. Wow! Actually, less were covered under the 2000 law than under the 1998. That is backwards.
DeleteImagine if they pulled that crap and said, "from now on those who served in locations formerly recognized as eligible, such as Panama and Kuwait, are no longer eligible". That is going backwards.
When you learn the past nonsense pulled it gives a certain perspective of our chances now.
Well, allegedly they are negotiating taking away the ability to buy back up to three years of service credit. In my opinion that is going backwards.
DeleteThe fact that there are discussions at this stage is very positive. I'm hoping for the successful conclusion that you, VSE, and so many others have worked to achieve these last few years. Don Mance
ReplyDeleteDitto.
DeleteHopefully all Expeditionary medal winners will be included minimum
ReplyDeleteOIF/OEF?
DeleteI'd guess country and not medal would be the criteria now. Too many non-combat expeditionary medals. That is the situation in Desert Storm - expeditionary medals mean nada for MSC.
DeleteWill be same for OIF/OEF.
From the governor
ReplyDelete"On Memorial Day, we honor the selfless men and women who made the ultimate sacrifice for our nation. Because of their courage, America remains a thriving democracy and a steadfast beacon of freedom around the world. On behalf of all New Yorkers, I extend my deepest condolences and gratitude to the families of our fallen heroes.
"On this day and every day, we remember the lives of soldiers we’ve lost and offer our sincere appreciation to those who are currently performing difficult and dangerous missions in distant lands. These service members continue to safeguard our way of life and their patriotism makes all of us proud to be Americans."
"...and offer our sincere appreciation to those who are currently performing difficult and dangerous missions in distant lands..."
Deleteyes, his sincere, yet arbitrary and inconsistent, appreciation.
I guess today isn't the day for snide comments - Sorry. Wishing you all a safe and solemn Memorial Day observance.
Semper Fi
Duty
ReplyDeleteHonor
Country
Trying not to read into this statement however thanking those who serve in distant lands and not at home is very disturbing. He should thank ALL who serve!
ReplyDeleteWas thinking the same thing. No thanks to peacetimers either. Only current wartime servicemen and women who are abroad.
DeleteAs well he should. It is memorial day
ReplyDeleteEither thank All or only remember those lost. He is once again trying to piece his political words together. This is a shameful political statement on a day to remember our fallen.
DeleteYea, he is so heartfelt isn't he. We can't read too much into it otherwise we would see the bill passed right along with that statement!
ReplyDeleteNo more assumptions. No more negotiating with yourselves about what if's or whats a fair deal. The VEA is going to be vetoed. It's not going to be equality for ALL veterans. He is not a man of honor. He will give away the farm to a particular sect of people in exchange for huge voting blocks. That's why the NYPD, Mayor of NYC and the Gov administrations are all under investigation. And The Empire Policy Center has been and is currently pulling the strings here. Things have become too murky to figure out what's going on.
ReplyDeleteThe "Peacetime" veterans volunteered to serve with the commonly held belief that we would be going to war with the Soviet Union. Still they volunteered to serve with the knowledge that they would be "human speed bumps" in Fulda or targeted by the Soviet artillery and missile onslaught at any given point in time. To have the definition of a veteran be set by an individual who FAILED to put nation ahead of self is a travesty and frankly just sad.
ReplyDeleteYea, he is so heartfelt isn't he. We can't read too much into it otherwise we would see the bill passed right along with that statement!
ReplyDeleteThere's no way he's signing the bill. That's correct it's no wonder he's under investigation he would rather take care of the people Kiryas Joel. We shall see how that's going to work out for him.
ReplyDeleteIf hypothetically a compromise is struck, would the bill automatically become law or would it once again go through the legislative processession? (Both houses voting on it and the gov signing it before it becomes law)
ReplyDeletei believe the Gov. can sign the bill with changes . too bad he can't just change the 5 years to 15 years and let ALL honorably discharged veterans BUY their 3 years back !
ReplyDeleteAgreed, as long as it is all Veterans! I think the 20 year minimum requirement satisfies the Mayor's gripe about a mass exodus. It ensure his first responders don't jump ship before twenty years if they want to purchase and since individuals are at different stages of hire it staggers it as well. It also ensure everyone pays the maximum but if they jump from a 20 year to a 23 year pension they may be tempted to do an additional two years for the full 25. My thoughts on it.
Delete20 year minimum is decent, making it so 30 years of nys service is required before applying up to 3 years is utterly ridiculous.
DeleteYes, 30 is ridiculous within any position even if they do not have a twenty year retirement option like NYPD, etc.
DeleteIf there is a compromise and Afghanistan/ Iraq combat veterans are allowed in the MSC program in exchange for a 20/30 back-end reform (20 for 20 year pension guys and 30 for 30 year pension guys) I don't think that can be done via chapter amendment.
ReplyDeleteProbably an announcement to that effect as part of the veto message and then a new bill signed prior to the end of this session.
Don't know why we would depart from the language of Veterans day.
ReplyDeleteSome want more than AFG and a few women vets and the other side wants less at this point.
DeleteOtherwise, no problemo!
Language said it would remove restrictions that prevented women from accessing the program. Did not say the language would be edited to prohibit men
DeleteWere the restrictions removed in the new bill? if so and we trust Cuomo he'll be signing in a couple of days.
DeleteSlam dunk!
Don't get your hopes up Cuomo is a liar, and was lieing.
DeleteThe ten day rule is not in play? Veto or bill becomes law, if their in session. Not sure what's going on here.
ReplyDeleteHe has until June 1st I believe to sign or veto (10 days from delivery). If he does nothing which will NOT happen it would automatically go through. At this time, legislators are still in session and actively voting until mid-June.
DeleteThere can be an approval of the bill with agreed to chapter amendments ( changes the Gov. requests in return for his approval )
Deletecptave:
DeleteWhere did you get that info?
Is that end of day on the 31st, or the first? Clearly the Assembly held up passage of the bill so he didn't have to decide today
DeleteWhile it does not happen often , the Gov. can sign a bill with agreed on changes ( called chapter amendments ) that the legislature then votes on.
Deletecptave:
DeleteIs this your opinion, hearsay, or a fact?
If it is a fact, cite your source.
20 year back-end svheme essentially destroys benefit depending on your Tier/rules.
ReplyDeleteWas an idea floated one day in the press to counter the Gov wish to back-end ALL included vets.
Moot point now.
Stop the idiotic fantasies. Unless you truly are in the know, and have specific information about negotiations, all that your comments are doing is giving you a false sense of hope. The VEA is dead. Get your heads wrapped around that. Every time someone logs on to read the latest updates, all we see is stuff that isn't verified or even logical.
ReplyDeleteNow that makes sense.
DeleteThis aggravates me. If you feel the VEA is dead then you do not need to follow it here, or at all! Discussions are something intelligent people do and no one has said that I've read that any of the information above is confirmed information, it's just people talking. I, for one will see what happens, good, bad or indifferent. I do not pretend to know because I don't and neither do you. The fact that you want to have a pissing match is just hateful. My opinion.
DeleteJust wait and see what happens.....
ReplyDeleteIf you know that our wars over the last hundred years have been covered via military service credit and you take a look at the 2000 Law, the absence of OIF and OEF jumps out at you. The fact that a few tiny conflicts are even listed, makes the absence of OIF (theater)and OEF (theater)even more - if possible - glaring.
ReplyDeleteDoesn't take much to realize OIF and OEF combat veterans (wounded and otherwise) will move into the updated program if any agreement at all is reached.
That's all I am willing to predict should an agreement be reached.
What do the terms OIF and OF mean?
DeleteOperation Iraqi freedom, operation enduring freedom, (afganastan). OIF is already included based on the language of the law of 2000. Afghanistan is not, I don't understand why VSE says OIF will be included in the new law. When as I understand it already is.
DeleteIraq itself is already included. OIF (Iraq plus theatre including Turkey, Jordan, waterways, airspace, etc. is not. )
DeleteOEF (AFG plus theatre) is not. Theater for AFG would include Uzbek, Pak, waters, airspace, etc.
Both OIF and OEF were after the 2000 law.
Close to 3 million servicemen and women have served in OIF/OEF with 60k casualties.
I hope every veteran knows the terms OIF and OEF.
The US Carried Out 674 Military Operations in Africa Last Year. Did You Hear About Any of Them?
Delete'State Worker' may have spent too long at the picnic. We have an OIF/ OEF wing at our VA.
DeleteNo doubt the 'theatre of operations' for both will be included as is the case with the War in the Gulf (w/dates sometimes open ended).
Thanks for the explanation VSE. I forgot the theater issue for Iraq war (OIF) but knew war in AFG (and theater) were totally excluded.
DeleteI think we're looking at a simple veto with terse 'unbudgeted bills must be vetoed' type language. Would like to think a few vets will join MSC but ...
https://www.facebook.com/GovernorAndrewCuomo/photos/a.340271619337391.83885.177009292330292/1189253957772482/?type=3&theater
ReplyDeleteWhy is this man smiling...because he has plans for another veto?
After the 3rd day sitting on his desk, the obvious answer is yes, it's another veto. Check out his twitter photos. More smiling, but less than 690 followers. He is not as popular as his smile tries to portray.
Deletetoday is the 9th day !
DeleteHis staff is preparing his veto message and he may or may not know anything about the pending bill or pending deadline. His staff manages that sort of thing.
DeleteHis staff will also prepare a document of possible options on MSC going forward based on discussions/negotiations w/veterans reps. Which he may or may not read. Which may or may not be integrated into a veto message or future joint message (again).
Deadline is approaching (the days flex a bit but his staff knows what they consider the deadline).
Definite veto
ReplyDeleteHave to wait till Cuomo gets out of office and then try again. What a big waste of time trying this again
ReplyDeleteI think we all know. VETO
ReplyDeleteOf course it is consecutive veto number 3 by Cuomo for VEA.
ReplyDeleteThe whole idea was to spur a negotiation of some sort to get SOME vets into the program.
If negotiation fails, targeted bill next year. No surprise there.
Not a bad angle to attempt - we'll learn if this approach works to help some vets.
DeleteChanging the approach to smaller bills next year to spur negotiation or to achieve direct MSC for wartime vets shows a smart application of lessons learned.
I'm exhausted looking on this site all These years to get doss appointed and frusturated year after year in dine with this. Thanks for all the info over the years stay safe everyone. TRUMP. 2016
ReplyDeleteLOL - you guys are great! good memories of the doom-n-gloom 'barracks attorneys' who used to sit around and talk about how we had just been, were currently getting, or were about to be, screwed over somehow. entertaining - and maybe true - but it got old after awhile.
ReplyDeleteSimple fact is: life ain't fair and equitable. A lesson I learned in grade school. The Marines took me to over 18 countries in the Middle East, Europe, Africa, and Asia. Cuomo doesn't think I rate a buyback? I laugh at him too. I didn't join up thinking I would reap some back-end benefit 25 years later at a state job I never knew I was going to get anyway. Sure, it would have been nice - but one has nothing to do with the other. It would be a benefit but it certainly isn't an entitlement. I'm still a little confused as to how I got PFC out of boot camp over guys who were better shooters and more physically fit than I was simply because I had some college credits. Of course, and as I told them, life ain't fair... buck up.
Life sure isn't fair but the law has to be fair and equitable, especially when it concerns access to funding for programs that benefit one group over another. That being said, when a representative legislative body creates said programs and signed into law by the governor, then the government has satisfied it's requirements of fair and equitable treatment. The MSC law is not fair or equitable but it has been the standard for decades.
DeleteSome folks whine about the Tier system here in NYS as "Unfair" "Inequitable" etc. Because it is based on year of service. Always will be whiners out there.
DeleteThere a million other examples and MSC law here in NYS (and other states) is within that million other examples.
If you are treated unfavorably versus a similarly situated person (same service dates and locations) by MSC you are allowed to whine.
DeleteA couple of peace timers hope the fact that two people are veterans make them similar in the eyes of all state law. Not the case. Or that two people who are employees of the very same state entity must be similarly situated for Tier determination. Again, wrong.
Time will tell.
ReplyDeleteAmen "Anon 7:31" Amen. Great summary of one of our main points!
ReplyDeleteKeep calling and e-mailing until the final bell sounds. Don't let the "DOOMSDAYERS" get us off course.
Call and e-mail
Call and e-mail.
If you want some inspiration Google "Dewey Defeats Truman" It ain't over till it's over.
You are correct call and e-mail call and e-mail. Hit up there Social Media too. They love their Social Media.
ReplyDeleteIt's that time again gentlemen. Here we are again poised to hear our fate. Many are negative and many are positive. This is what makes us human. Patence is getting thin,relax it'll be here shortly. All I have to say since this time around I stayed mostly guiet . It's been one hell of a ride watching the separation of arms! Men arguing over things that should or shouldn't be in VEA. I've been with a municipality for 28 years never once thinking that a law like this would ever change. Knowing all about the past law it didn't bother me. Knowing I'm doing 30 years of service to earn my 60% pension . I have been with this blog since the beginning and now I say thank you again VSE for this blog . What happens ...happens, 2 years to go is fine anything else I receive is a given . Best of luck to all keep it up gentlemen. Be nice to each other your men not boys. God Bless America. Trump 2016
ReplyDeleteditto, municipality here as well, 24th year, and will be 53 in 2 months...what happens....happens.
DeleteA Veteran is a Veteran.......you are playing into cuomo's hands......why pass a bill that even all veterans can't agree on.....a Veteran is Veteran......you are familiar with divide and conquer....Cuomo is using that tactic......once you divide you lose your strength and expose your weakness.......I respect and praise ALL VETERANS......I do not ask for a copy of their DD214......
ReplyDeleteDivide and conquer? Veterans fall into different legal categories - this is not new.
Deleteonly in this state and with this governor.....for retirement purposes....check MD, NJ....the federal govt...."honorably discharged veterans".......
DeleteJAM
DeletePlease do not compare NY to other states. In the first case you are completely wrong. NJ, for example allows 10 years of purchase for former military and an additional 5 years for those who are considered veterans. "Veterans" in NJ are only those who have served in wartime: http://www.state.nj.us/treasury/pensions/pdf/factsheets/fact17.pdf
In the second case "full cost" v a 3% discount here in NY makes any comparison self defeating. Unless you want 'full cost'. I have continuously warned about comparisons to other states.
JAM
DeleteAnd to clarify, in NJ 10 years purchase of any US Govt work is allowed (and former military service is one of several options within that group). As noted, (wartime) veterans may buy an additional five years.
Call and e-mail
ReplyDeleteKeep up the fight.
We need to gain a foothold and build from there.
ReplyDeleteIf wartime folks don't get in to the wartime program they should focus and back a wartime veterans bill to enter the wartime program.
ReplyDeleteIf peacetimers don't get into the wartime program, they should back a bill setting up a Cold War MSC program. Just like the Cold War folks did after failing to gain membership in the wartime property tax exemption program. In retrospect that was a no-brainer move for the Cold War veterans (since they weren't wartime and of course did not belong in a wartime program) and they are kicking themselves for not trying sooner.
There are some of us Cold War folks who would disagree that we were not wartime. Since when was working on nuclear weapons in an active response setting not wartime?
DeleteUmmm Anon 12:49 if you pulled that duty during wartime you are a wartime veteran. If you pulled that precise duty during peacetime, you are a peacetime veteran. Nothing to do with 'active response' setting or secret ninja training.
DeleteLOL - Nothing wrong with being peacetime. "Secret Ninja" a second LOL. Cold War vets were smart enough to directer efforts to creating a separate (non-wartime) possible property tax exemption and won. Good lesson there if this gets vetoed.
DeleteWith municipal option in nyc that and 2.75 will get you on the subway.
DeleteAnonymousMay 31, 2016 at 8:27 AM
ReplyDeletethe people that whine about the tier's are fools.
it's simple, don't take the job if you don't like the tier.
I would never accept a job at tier 5 or 6.
if you sign the contract than stop complaining. it's that simple, they agreed to it.
Call and e-mail
ReplyDeleteCall and e-mail
We are still alive at 1600 hours!
Keep pushing in a united front.
Call and e-mail
Call and e-mail
At the very least we show that we are not going away at the most critical hour.
Keep the faith.
VSE, I see the title above was changed to include an answer by June 2nd. Is that 2400 hrs June 1st or 2nd. It was my understanding that it was 10 days from date of delivery.
ReplyDeleteDelivered on may 19 + 10 = may 29th + 2 Sundays = may 31 + 1 holiday = June 1st. Are the excluding may 19, and start may 20th? That would account for it to be june 2nd. It's a bit confusing.
I think it means he has until 11:59 pm on June 1st, so we'll know for certain on June 2nd when we wake up in the morning. Although I suspect hours beforehand.
DeleteThanks Jade
Delete'For those focused on deadlines, it looks like 1 June or thereabouts is the deadline to hear from the Governor regarding the fate of the bill. Of course life and politics are full of exceptions and nuances.'
The Gov. vetoed the VEA with 30 minutes left on the clock last year !
DeleteI have not seen anything in writing that holidays do not count as part of the 10 days . If there is no veto by midnight tonight can we tell the press that the VEA pocket passed ?
cptave
DeleteHeck, you can tell them that right now.
we will have to wait until after midnight ( remember the veto came in around 2330 hours last year ! )
DeleteYou're welcome VSE. They can and will do whatever they want, we may know by tomorrow OR they will give a reason for delay. Either way, I think we'll know something.
DeleteWhile the Legislature is in session, the Governor has 10 days (not counting Sundays) to sign or veto bills passed by both houses. Signed bills become law; vetoed bills do not. However, the Governor's failure to sign or veto a bill within the 10-day period means that it becomes law automatically. Vetoed bills are returned to the house that first passed them, together with a statement of the reason for their disapproval. A vetoed bill can become law if two-thirds of the members of each house vote to override the Governor's veto.
ReplyDeleteyes, nothing about holidays ! would serve the Gov. right to mess up the day he had to veto VEA ! pocket pass works for me !
DeleteThis looks like it was taken from the senate website on how a bill becomes a law.
DeleteFor a more complete understanding, verbatim, check the link below (refer to section 7).
Note:
1) The use of the word "SHALL" indicates not an option, but in fact a mandate.
2) the language "(excepting Sundays)" (no mention of holidays).
http://www.dos.ny.gov/info/constitution/article_4_executive.html
Watch how fast lightning strikes ! It'll blind you. We should be so lucky on a pocket pass ! One of his Aids reads this blog daily and let's the staff know what's the chatter. Listen tonigh while your asleep you'll hear a huge bang ! But we've been burned before so no pain !
ReplyDeleteSo can anybody say with certainty that tonight is the deadline?or is tomorrow night?
ReplyDeleteThere is some confusion between the terms "in session" and "end of the legislative calendar" (which is June 16 of this year).
ReplyDeleteAs we learned in the past, the legislature is almost always "in session", well beyond the "end of the legislative calendar".
The confusion between the two allowed us to be bullshitted by the legislators who had voted for the VEA, and claimed that it should be overridden, but it was nearly impossible, because they were "NOT in session", and it would require that a "special session of the legislature" be convened (which is virtually impossible). Twice.
This was a bold-faced lie. Twice told.
Otherwise, we would not have been looking at 10 day window awaiting action on the VEA, in either 2014 or 2015, as opposed to a 30 day window, which in either of those years, would have allowed Cuomo to comfortably wait until after Veterans Day either year.
Let's see what kind of excuses they make this year
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S07160 Summary:
BILL NO S07160
SAME AS SAME AS A09531
SPONSOR LARKIN
COSPNSR ADDABBO, AKSHAR, AMEDORE, AVELLA, BONACIC, BOYLE, CARLUCCI, COMRIE, CROCI, DEFRANCISCO, DIAZ, DILAN, ESPAILLAT, FARLEY, FELDER, FLANAGAN, FUNKE, GALLIVAN, GOLDEN, GRIFFO, HAMILTON, HASSELL-THOMPSON, HOYLMAN, KENNEDY, LANZA, LAVALLE, LITTLE, MARCHIONE, MARTINS, MURPHY, NOZZOLIO, ORTT, PERALTA, RANZENHOFER, RITCHIE, ROBACH, SAVINO, SERINO, SEWARD, STAVISKY, VALESKY, VENDITTO, YOUNG
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Amd §1000, R & SS L
Provides up to three years of service credit to members of public retirement systems of the state for military service; removes requirement that such military service occur during specified periods of hostilities; requires such members have at least five years of credited service, not including military service; appropriates $24,800,000 therefor.
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S07160 Actions:
BILL NO S07160
04/01/2016 REFERRED TO FINANCE
04/11/2016 1ST REPORT CAL.591
04/12/2016 2ND REPORT CAL.
05/03/2016 ADVANCED TO THIRD READING
05/05/2016 PASSED SENATE
05/05/2016 DELIVERED TO ASSEMBLY
05/05/2016 referred to ways and means
05/18/2016 substituted for a9531
05/18/2016 ordered to third reading cal.618
05/18/2016 passed assembly
05/18/2016 returned to senate
05/19/2016 DELIVERED TO GOVERNOR
05/31/2016 SIGNED CHAP.41
05/31/2016 APPROVAL MEMO.1
Are there changes? How do we get that memo?
DeleteHe signed it
ReplyDeleteHe signed the bill.
ReplyDeleteIs it fully approved?
ReplyDeleteWith changes?
ReplyDeleteJust says signed chapter 41 approval memo #1 I'd like to see that memo, but I'm not having any luck finding it
ReplyDeleteMessage from Assemblywoman Paulin; "The Governor signed our Bill"
ReplyDeleteAny idea what the chapter ammendments are, VSE
ReplyDeleteWouldn't it have to say that?
DeleteYES! Great news!
ReplyDeleteI really wanna give a big "Thank You" to VSE for keeping this blog up to date and keeping us informed. I would also like to thank Jade for sending us the emails to keep us aware as well. Huge Thanks to you guys
ReplyDeleteThank you Rich! VSE's blog has been an invaluable source of information for all of us! We all did this together, as a whole and can (at least for this victory) exhale..:)
DeleteI really wanna give a big "Thank You" to VSE for keeping this blog up to date and keeping us informed. I would also like to thank Jade for sending us the emails to keep us aware as well. Huge Thanks to you guys
ReplyDeleteSo....what are we all going to do now that this thing is passed and we don't have a meeting place to bitch...lol.
ReplyDeleteWe gots nowhere else to go now that this has passed
Deletehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6g2JN2PrHJg
You know the more I think about that picture of him marching in the parade with Bill and Hillary...and the big shit eating grin on his face...the Governor doesn't give a crap anymore because he is going to have a place in Hillary's cabinet
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ReplyDeleteWhere is that Don Mance guy who wrote all those articles in the newspaper for us....I think that and this website and the behind the scenes work got us out of the starting gate
DeletePeter Keck...where are you too...need to thank you man for your great conversations in the emails over the years.
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